Rob interviews Tim Wilson, who at the time of recording was MP for Goldstein, about the issues raised by his recent book The New Social Contract: Renewing the Liberal Vision for Australia (2020). They discuss Robert Menzies’ vision of a liberalism ‘for individuals not for individualism’ and the need for a society in which individuals have a stake and commitment. Tim is concerned that there are too few arguing for liberal democracy today as an alternative to social democracy. He believes that liberalism needs to regain its social licence especially among those under the age of 35.